Published on June 27, 2007 By stillkoontz In Religion
A major misconception of atheism is that it lacks a reason to be moral-no reason for people to be good and nice rather than just doing whatever they want. In reality almost the opposite is true. I argue that atheism gives more reason and responsibility to be good people and that religion actually promotes evil.

One may make the argument that without a higher power to judge and punish a person’s action then there is no reason to be moral. In Christianity for example, if you sin then you go to hell. However, there is still the possibility to ask for forgiveness and believe in Jesus and, then you are off the hook. I think the issue is obvious here-a person can still do as much evil to his fellow man as he wants and be unpunished. A person can go on thinking that it doesn’t matter what they do, they will always go to heaven. This is obviously a contradiction of morality.

Another issue with a higher power and morality is the “everything happens for a reason” mentality. An omnipotent god has power over everything and by that has a plan for the future. (In my first article “A Dose of Common Sense” I go into that a little more clearly near the end of the article and explain why this has to be true for an omnipotent god, so if you disagree, go there.) Someone who thinks like this can use this as an excuse for the wrong things they do. For example, Jim gets angry with Tom and He kills Tom. Jim can say in his defense that god planned for Tom to die at that very moment and that He was just doing what was fated to happen. Luckily our justice system doesn’t allow this kind of thinking and neither should anyone else. This is just an excuse for their horrible deed, and another contradiction to the argument that religion leads to morality.

I know this next section has been touched on before so I’ll keep it short. There are obvious examples in religious texts and history of immoral behavior. I know people will say that the examples in the text are just isolated incidents and that the book must be read as a whole to get the point. I disagree with that, but that’s another topic to write about, eh? It can also be argued in the defense of religion that past evil exploits done under the flag of religion were done by people that didn’t believe properly, either by not understanding their religion correctly or by believing the wrong religion completely. However, this does not affect my point. Just that the act had religious origins and/or encouragement in the mind of the individual is enough to show the contrary role religion has with morality.

Atheism, on the other hand, does not have to deal with any of these problems. There is no god to judge in the end-only other people. There is more responsibility to be moral to your fellow man if that is who is judging you in finality rather than being moral for your own purposes (like getting into heaven). Also because this life and the people around you are it, there is a greater responsibility and pressure to be good. (That’s about a full page of rambling crap in my first try at this essay put down into 4 sentences. I’m still not happy with it.) Anyways, to the next thing, there’s no fate if there’s no higher power so no excuses about things happening for a reason can be made. And lastly, there are no religious texts to encourage wrongdoing and, as far as I know, no one committing any heinous crimes in the name of atheism in history so no problems there.

Personally, it’s all about responsibility. There is only this life and the people around me so I only have pressure to be moral for this time and those people. I don’t have to worry about a master being punishing me for working on Sunday or letting someone believe a different religion. I can’t be misguided by some ambiguous text written a million years ago or by people who say I’m sinning because I don’t believe in their teapot. There is only my sense of justice and honor and what is right to lead me. I treat people like I want to be treated-it’s fair, there’s no arguing that. There’s no room for “treat people like you want to be treated…unless they’re Jewish or gay or democrat or Eskimo or whatever”. Atheism leaves no reason (or excuse) for wickedness whereas religion ironically leaves those openings for hate and sin.

Comments
on Jun 28, 2007
As an atheist (to atheists in general), you have a distinct difference from Christians. A Christian has a Bible, which tells them what is moral and what is immoral. As an atheist, you have the ability to choose from many different moral codes, including mixing conflicting moral codes together to suit your purposes. Therefore, you can do whatever you want and even justify it to yourself and others as moral. This is a distinct advantage if other people are your only judge, for sure.

However, as a Christian, yes, I can be forgiven if I 'sin.' But if I go around telling people God told me to kill people, do you think God's going to believe me when I ask for forgiveness? He's going to know there's no repentance in my heart, unless it really is there. But if you're throwing God's name around like that, you probably don't know Him anyway, or you'd know that he does NOT tell people to kill.

He used to do that, but only to the Jewish people, and in wars. An individual has no reason to kill another individual.
on Jun 28, 2007
There is only this life


A major misconception of atheism is that it lacks a reason to be moral-no reason for people to be good and nice rather than just doing whatever they want. In reality almost the opposite is true. I argue that atheism gives more reason and responsibility to be good people and that religion actually promotes evil.


What do you base your moral values upon? What is your reasoning of 'good' and 'evil' based upon?

Do you deny God in order to be free from moral restraints?


Your rejection of God certainly doesn't diminish your trials in life. If it isn't God, then what/who is it that an atheist such as yourself reaches out to in times of dire strait? Rejection of God merely deprives you of the consolation Christians experience in the midst of them.

For example, Jim gets angry with Tom and He kills Tom. Jim can say in his defense that god planned for Tom to die at that very moment and that He was just doing what was fated to happen. Luckily our justice system doesn’t allow this kind of thinking and neither should anyone else. This is just an excuse for their horrible deed, and another contradiction to the argument that religion leads to morality.


Most of your article is based upon flawed thinking and upon false assumptions. This paragraph is a case in point. If Jim kills Tom, Jim cannot use the defense that GOd told him, made him or fated him to do it because Almighty God's Fifth Commandment is Thou shall not kill. God cannot deceive or be deceived. Jim wasn't practicing Christianity in the first place when he killed Jim. Killing is an evil act and evil acts are of the Devil and condemned by God. There is no contradiction in this understanding.

We can't commit an evil deed and claim at the same time that we are Christian. Christianity is synonymous with morality. It's deviating from Christianity that your example is set.

Just that the act had religious origins and/or encouragement in the mind of the individual is enough to show the contrary role religion has with morality.


Wrong again. All this tells us is the person's conscience is ill-formed.

Atheism, on the other hand, does not have to deal with any of these problems. There is no god to judge in the end-only other people. There is more responsibility to be moral to your fellow man if that is who is judging you in finality rather than being moral for your own purposes (like getting into heaven). Also because this life and the people around you are it, there is a greater responsibility and pressure to be good. (That’s about a full page of rambling crap in my first try at this essay put down into 4 sentences. I’m still not happy with it.) Anyways, to the next thing, there’s no fate if there’s no higher power so no excuses about things happening for a reason can be made. And lastly, there are no religious texts to encourage wrongdoing and, as far as I know, no one committing any heinous crimes in the name of atheism in history so no problems there.


You are right not to be happy with this paragraph, it's incoherent.


There is only this life


This is partly true. We are created with a human physical body and with an eternal spiritual soul. We were also created with free will, an intellect, and with the natural (moral) law written on our heart. While there is only this life for the human body part of us, there is eternal life waiting for our soul after the death of the body. How we spend our life on earth determines where we spend eternity. If we reject God in this life, He will reject us in the next. This isn't complicated. On one side of the scale is 60-80 years on the other is eternity.

GOd's yoke is much easier than the one you've chained yourself with.
on Jun 29, 2007
you complain:

Most of your article is based upon flawed thinking and upon false assumptions


and then offer this?

We are created with a human physical body and with an eternal spiritual soul


and this?

there is eternal life waiting for our soul after the death of the body


no matter how absolutely true those beliefs seem to you, without evidence there's no logic to validate your thinking nor your own assumptions. your opinions are no more nor less than exactly that.
on Jun 29, 2007
Lulapilgrim posts:
Most of your article is based upon flawed thinking and upon false assumptions


Kingbee,

If you disagree with my assessment of Stillkoontz' article, then
I'd be delighted to read your point by point rebuttal of the points I raised.

If not from God, where does our humanness, intellect, free will, conscience and yes, soul come from? Where is the evidence?

A Christian's morality stems from love of God and obedience to His Commands. It's an easy, peaceful and joyful yoke.


no matter how absolutely true those beliefs seem to you, without evidence there's no logic to validate your thinking nor your own assumptions. your opinions are no more nor less than exactly that.


Some people seem to think that evidence of God must be seeing and touching. My reason and intellect can detect sufficient evidence to guarantee the existence of God. The first and most obvious indication of God's existence is from causality.

Look around at Almighty GOd's handiwork. It's so clearly impressed upon creation and above all upon man himself. Did the sun come up in the east this AM? Will it set in the west? It will surely it will. You know this BECAUSE God exists. Is nature obeying His command and the summer flowers are blooming. Do you feel your heart pumping and is your chest heaving so slightly as you take in breaths of air? That breathe and heartbeat is the life of God in you. God caused all that. Without Him this world and we humans wouldn't be and are nothing.

All humankind, whether culturally primitive or classically civilized, instinctively believe there is a God. The truth is in possession. Men do not have to persuade themselves that there is a God. It's the other way around. They have to try to persuade themselves there is no God. No one, yet, who has attained this persuasion has been able to find a valid reason for it.

In short, men do not grow into the idea of a God, they endeavor to grow out of it.